Discussion Don / Carol ~Sep 2014

(Discussions between Don / Carol ~Sep 2014)

Where to go next? I’ve been trying to find the pages prior to this one: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbcampob/camp5c.htm

John Farmer’s family came from Wales, apparently, so when I can start searching again, I’ll be going to the web sites I have on Wales.

There’s also the Ruth Hope White ancestors to trace. She was born in Fort Fairfield, ME. Her father was a carpenter.

One thing you can look for, if you find yourself with spare moments at the computer is to find middle names or even letters, DOB and DOD wherever you pass. The long list of “Johns” will need to be identified AND verified, somehow.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=farmer&GSfn=john&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GScntry=10&GSob=n&GRid=94090756&df=all&

CampoJohn’s children are listed in that last document you sent ref: Gregg/Grieg updated by the Carleton prof. Many sons but no one named John who was born in 1888. CampoJohn had many sons, though, so maybe one of the older sons had a son John in 1888. Will check.

Admiral Owen died in 1857 in St. John, NB, but doesn’t mean he was buried there. I will look for St. Anne’s cemetery and his birthplace in Manchester, England. CampoJohn was buried near his first wife, Ann’s grave, i.e., St. Anne’s Anglican.  (I note in various photos that it should be St. Ann’s Anglican). Photo below.

OF NOTE: CampoJohn (CJ) had a son John born of CJ’s second wife, Julia and this John was 16 at the time of the 1871 Census,

1871 + 16 = 1887, one year short of Grampy Farmer’s birth year (1888).  Could CampoJohn and Julia’s son, John, be our grandfather’s father? “John” is a good Christian name and tends to get successively ‘name-saked’ or handed to subsequent generations.

St. Ann’s Anglican Church, Campobello Island, c. 1946

StAnnAnglican 1946

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Well, he was signing some official documents with Admiral Owen with respect to the church so that puts him in some form of jurisdictional role and tax collecting is one of the activities of a bailiff so we are getting pretty close here. Ancestry must have court documents that might give a clue to his official capacities. You would expect the names of officials to appear often. Might be able to find out who his children were.

The Admiral might be the key to locating John’s birthplace back in England as them seem close so they must have history together. Maybe you can find the admirals location information as a starting point. Finding out where Admiral Owen was buried might also be a clue.

Brilliant. And I notice the Gregg/Grieg document was updated by Bruce Elliott, a prof at Carleton U, in 2005. He may still be on staff.

So John died in 1901, therefore it must be fairly easy to connect this John to John O. As I said, there are so many John Farmers in the US, I felt it daunting to prove CampoJohn was the right one. There is a very organized Forum on Ancestry so I can leave a question for all the Farmers out there and maybe someone will answer providing more details.

I tried a long time to find the cemetery for Campobello. I did turn up Welshpool, NB, E5E 1G3 with a cemetery on Cemetery Road (I think there’s a clue, there!), but never saw St. Anne’s Anglican (another clue) cemetery. Most Brits would be Anglican of course.

It was dad who said John Farmer was the bailiff at Campobello!

Yes, thanks! There’s plenty here to work with, sort of working around our grandfather and hoping a connection shows up between the two. There can’t be too many degrees of separation since Grampy was born in 1888 and CampoJohn died in 1901. And CampoJohn would be our connection to England which was all I hoped to show with my research! I suspect much of what is in Diane’s box deals with this period.

He is mentioned about 5 times in that first piece. So we have some dates, his marriage, his title, his location, his land. I think his relationship to admiral owen is key to placing him.

Others buying in Friar’s Bay were William Lank, another son of the first William; John Taylor, John Batson, Owen Parker and John Farmer.  Peter Dewade and Alfred Todd were also living there.

John Farmer, the Admiral’s right hand man and secretary, married Esther Gregg, a daughter of John Gregg who bought up a large section of Tyn-y-coed farm

when I searched “john farmer esther gregg” I got this document that talks about her family and john farmer is mentioned as a tax collector, but no mention of bailiff. 

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhistory.earthsci.carleton.ca%2Fharvey%2Fgenealogy%2Ffamilydocs%2Fgregg.doc&ei=f8wpVJrHOIORyQTTzYL4Bw&usg=AFQjCNE4zb25qnSFCpgkY_HaAsUb2GbnpA&bvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw

There’s no doubt in my mind that we descended from the Scots! I grew up hearing mom reiterating we were Irish/Scotch/Welsh, but have always wondered where the information came from. Anecdotal? Or simply the fact that anyone coming from the British Isles likely descended from Vikings and subsequently populated Ireland and Great Britain, so we’d also be Scandinavian, but I digress…

Donna Lee’s tome went a long way to setting a framework for the intriguing family provenance, but I was always wondering why she stopped at 1833 when she spent time in Ireland investigating just the Moores. Sure it was before the Internet age so there was a lot more leg-work involved. I’ve tried to locate her for a number of years to learn if she continued on with her search after her Masters, but she moved from the original address and has retired. Don Moore lost track of her, too.

So. The Farmers. I have a few things, but nothing that goes farther back than Grampy Farmer: the signed document when Grammy became a Landed Immigrant; a few items from Fort Fairfield, ME; a complete list of Grammy’s brothers and sisters with an address or two; various positions Grampy held during his years with the CPR; and their wedding certificate. It is this last piece that is blocking my progress because on the hand-written wedding certificate where the groom’s name is given as John Owen Farmer, someone later misread the “w” as 2 “r’s” so it spells Orrin and has him born in Winnipeg.

I’ve drafted an email to the daughter, Florence Briggs, of one of Grammy’s sisters, who was last living in MASS and who was 89. I doubt she is still alive, but I’ve been counting on her daughter, Mary’s memory.

Do you know if Johnny Decker has any information from his mother? Diane has encouraged me to friend him on FB, but I’ve not done that.

I had never seen the Owen House web page, nor read the charming Gutenberg piece, but have searched the scholar’s version of Google as well as the common pages.  Thanks for those web addresses. They will certainly help!

Do you know where the story about Bailiff, John Farmer, originated? Dad talked about it way back, but I’ve not been able to find a second name or middle initial for this “John Farmer,” and believe me, there are a great many John Farmers in the US. With a cursory search, I tried to find out if he died at Campobello, but no info yet, sorry.

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