I shared some of these already with Don a month or so ago, but I pass them onto you as well.
John Farmer 1813-1901. He looks about 55 ish. I have his red military sash when he was a Captain in the New Brunswick Militia and a large sterling silver soup ladle with the initials “JF” on it. That’s it. Census records show that he emigrated in 1836. All the stories I heard was that he came from Wales but Canadian census records indicate “English” and I cannot find any relevant records for John in Wales. I do understand that John inherited 1/4 of his parent’s estate and it took a shipload to bring over all of the furniture which he sold to support his lavish lifestyle and pay for parties for the naval officers when they were in town. He died broke (I have his will), left his bed clothes to Julia, and she lived with one of her children until she died in 1914. John was also a Justice of the peace, and was Admiral Owen’s agent in Campbello and apparently they were very close.
John’s first family with Anne Gregg (b 1822-1864)
Frances Owen Farmer (1845-1865)
Richard James Robertson Farmer (1847-1847)
William Owen Farmer (1848-?)
Thomas Farmer (1850-?)
Edward Farmer (1851 and got married in Pennsylvania in 1883)
George Farmer (1850-1936) Became a captain of a Merchant vessel “Seafarer” in Liverpool England.
Esther Farmer (1853 – ?)
Here’s a photo of the barque “Seafarer”
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John’s second wife Julia Hepzibeth Palmer b 1836 d 1914.
Photo of Admiral Owen and his son, given to John Farmer
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My Grandfather (your great grandfather), Spencer Farmer in full Masonic Regalia of St Mark’s Lodge in New Brunswick. Spencer was the first child of John’s second marriage to Julia on 30 June 1870. He was born 13 Oct 1866,, 4 years earlier (there’s a story there)
Steele was born in 20 Dec 1867 (before the marriage)
Gary in 19 Oct 1869 d 1890. (before the marriage)
Sidney (31 May 1871) and moved to Boston,
Owen Tudor (31 May 1871 died 1872),
Lancelot (11 Jun 1872),
Rowena (31 Oct 1873, and Mary (4 Feb 1877 died 1901)
were all born after the marriage. So it’s probably not likely that Spencer is not his. John just didn’t get married when he had 3 kids! Spencer was put on a train to Winnipeg at the age of 15 by John, given $50, and told to go forth. I understand Spencer helped put down the Northwest rebellion. Eventually, Spencer became a bookkeeper at the (then) CP Algonquin Hotel in St Andrews and eventually a relief Hotel Manager (when the other guys went on Vacation or something). So Spencer managed the CP Hotels in Banff, and also spent a few years managing the CP Hotel in Bermuda when my dad was a young boy.
John Farmer’s daughter Rowena (with Julia). I understand John Farmer treated all of his children, from both marriages rather poorly but doted on Rowena. He took her to NYC, sent her to Columbia University where she met and married Dr Oscar Menderson Schloss who eventually became the head of cardiology. Rowena had a son, Oscar Jr in 1913. Oscar Jr had a daughter Joan (b?) who I spoke to some 15 years ago when her name was Joan Long. She was quite elderly, and is probably dead now. I never met her but she was living on the upper east side in NYC. I don’t believe she had any children. Joan Mentioned to me that her grandmother Rowena was always quite sad about her relationships with her brothers and sisters. I guess none of them were too thrilled with the old man.
John Owen Farmer 17 Jul 1888
Frances Rowena Farmer 17 Mar 1890 Duluth Minnesota d Portland Maine
George Brandon Farmer 10 Apr 1892 d 1905 St Andrews. I
Steele Farmer 7 Apr 1993 d 1933 Campbello
Irving Spencer Farmer 10 May 1895 (I have some of Irving’s WW1 service medals) died Braintree, Mass 1987 (I never met him)
Lancelot Farmer 5 May 1898
Here’s a photo of Steele Farmer
John Owen Farmer had
Louise Farmer (abt 1916)
Donald Spencer Farmer 8 Sept 1920 (Don’s dad)
John (abt 1920) This is your dad – correct?
It would make sense that your dad John is my godfather (as opposed to his dad John Owen)as John was 22 when my dad got married in 1942 and John was age 33 when I was born. It’s amazing that he is still alive and I will look forward to meeting him!
Spencer’s first wife Dinah Butler died in 1900 and Spencer remarried in 1912 and My dad Ronald Allerton Farmer was born in 1913 when Spencer was 47 (yikes!) . All of my dad’s brother’s and sisters were 20 years older than he was so Dad kind of grew up like an only child like me.
My Dad’s photo.
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Dad was sent off to Boston to live with Irving and get a job when he was 17 at the start of the depression in 1930. That didn’t work out (reasons unknown) so Dad moved to Montreal (I think Spencer found him work) to work some 3 years later at age 20. Met my mum when he was 24 and they got married in 1942 when dad was 29. He joined the RCAF for the war, became a corporal, was discharged in 1945 and went back to work for Domtar, went to accounting school at night, and where he eventually became a General Credit Manager and retired in 1978 at 65, and died in Feb 1999 at 86. He was always fascinated with rocks and gemstones which became his quite involved hobby for many years as it did with my mum. That faceted Topaz ring that I wear he made and game to me when I was a young man. I gave one of his rings with their birthstones to each of my daughters when they graduated.
As for me, I grew up as an only child never knowing or meeting any “Farmer” relatives as they were all much older than dad, or all scattered to the 4 winds. Born Nov 17, 1953, I grew up in Pointe Claire where my dad bought a new subdivision house in 1954 (hence the photo you have which is very cool). I moved out to support myself when I was 18 in 1972. Got my pilot’s license in 1977 and Got married in Montreal in 1978 to Suzanne and have 3 kids.
Mackenzie (b 1987 – 31), graduated McMaster with a Bach degree in English, married and living in Vancouver. Sadly, I don’t see her very much.
Derek (b 1993 – 24) living in Oakville and estranged. Sadly, he dropped out of U Windsor in 2013 and we haven’t spoken in 3 years.
Leanne (b 1993 (twins) 24) living in Oakville whom I’m very close to. Leanne graduated from Durham college in 2014 and is a child educator living about 1 mile away and supporting herself as a full blown adult! I’m very proud of her.
I did my both my undergrad (1980) in Montreal and grad school (MBA – 1984) at night, stayed too long in Quebec, and moved to Toronto at 35 in 1988 to work for a Paris based bank (Credit Lyonnais) where I became the SVP and #2 in Canada. Unfortunately the bank blew it’s brains out in Europe and had to downsize. So I was the guy who fired everybody here, sold off all the assets and sub leased the joint back in 1999 and started looking for work again at age 47 which took about a year. I’m still friends with my old boss who still lives in Paris. Dee and I haven’t seen them since 2009 and we’re visiting again this fall. After a year of pounding the pavement, BMO offered me an executive position in 2001 to set up a Corporate Finance Syndications group for them so I joined BMO and retired from BMO 15 years later in Jan 2016 at 62. (Not much of a pension but I had always invested my dough knowing that I was “on my own” – lol – so I’m fine)
Sadly, Suzanne passed away at age 50 (after 29 years of marriage) from Colon Cancer after a year of chemo in April 2007 when my youngest’s were only 13 (Mackenzie was 20) so it’s been hard on them (me too raising teenagers! – lol). I took my kids travelling after Suzanne died so they’ve all been to Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. I met Dee on a blind date in Sept 2008. Kept the house in Oakville where the kids all grew up until 2011, and Dee and I got married in 2012 (4 years after we met) after my kids went off to University and Mackenzie had graduated. Dee and I got our own place together in “downtown” Oakville, a nice grown up town house with no lawn or driveway – lol- where we can walk to restaurants etc. I started flying again in 2004. Picked up the plane in 2010 and now happily trying to improve my skills and enjoy travel with Dee. It’s great. We have another trip planned this fall before we head south for the winter.
Dee has two great sons. She raised them on her own from about age 3. Jason (31) and Brendan (29). Jason works in architecture, lives in Oshawa. Brendan joined the Navy in Victoria, was discharged last year, has gone back to university full time. He’s married, lives in Victoria, has a one year old son (our first grandchild – which is very cool).
So that’s it. You and Don are the only cousins I have ever met on my father’s side. My kids only have one cousin on their mother’s side too. Dee only has one brother (no kids) so our family group is pretty small. I have two cousins on my mother’s side both of whom live in Alabama and haven’t seen in 30 years. It’s quite a thrill to meet you – and even know that you exist.
So please let us know the next time you are in Burlington. We would love to have you over.