john farmer baptism record (lorna)

Name Fred F Farmer
Age in 1910 48
Birth Year abt 1862
Birthplace Canada
Home in 1910 Lubec, Washington, Maine
Race White
Gender Male
Immigration Year 1903
Relation to Head of House Head
Marital Status Single
Spouse’s Name Martha Farmer
Father’s Birthplace Canada
Mother’s Birthplace Canada
Household Members
Name Age
Fred F Farmer 48
Martha Farmer 46
Harley Farmer 10
Florence Farmer 6

 

 

Parents  John Farmer 70    Julia Farmer 48

 

Name Frederick Farmer
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Age 25
Birth Year abt 1866
Birthplace New Brunswick
Relation to Head-of-house Head
French Canadian No
Spouse’s Name Martha Farmer
Father’s Birth Place England
Mother’s Birth Place New Brunswick
Province New Brunswick
District Number 13
District Charlotte
Subdistrict Grand Manan
Household Members
Name Age
Frederick Farmer 25
Martha Farmer 28
Edna Farmer 5
Gaynor Farmer 3
Begetta Farmer 2
Aubrey Farmer 1

 

Name John Farmer
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 8 Mar 1813
Father’s Name James Farmer
Mother’s Name Margaret Farmer
Parish or Poor Law Union Whitechapel St Mary
Borough Tower Hamlets
Register Type Parish Registers

 

Name: James Farmer
Spouse: Margaret Sanderson
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Sep 1804
Parish: St Mary, Whitechapel
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

 

 

James Farmer

Birth ABT 1780 • Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

 

Spouse

Margaret Sanderson Birth ABT 1778 Death ABT 1813

 

Children

*James Farmer 1806–1807

*Mary Farmer 1810–1866

*James Farmer 1810–

*Thomas Farmer 1812–

* John Farmer 1813–

 

 

Name Margaret Farmer
Record Type Burial
Age 35
Estimated Birth Year abt 1778
Death Date abt 1813
Burial Date 27 Mar 1813
Burial Place St Mary, Whitechapel, England
Parish or Poor Law Union St Mary, Whitechapel
Borough Tower Hamlets
Register Type Parish Register

 

 

Name James Farmer
Baptism Date 30 Nov 1806
Parish St Mary, Whitechapel
County Middlesex
Borough Tower Hamlets
Record Type Baptism
Register Type Parish Register

 

 

Name Mary Farmer
Spouse John Saner
Spouse Comments Holy Trinity Kingston Hon. Hill
Marriage Date 1834
Parish Whitechapel St Mary

 

Name Mary Farmer
Record Type Marriage
Event Date 27 Feb 1834
Parish St Mary, Whitechapel
Borough Tower Hamlets
Register Type Parish Register
Household Members
Name Age
Mary Farmer
Jean Sanar

 

 

Name James Farmer
Burial Date 23 Sep 1807
Parish St Mary, Whitechapel
County Middlesex
Borough Tower Hamlets
Record Type Burial
Register Type Parish Register

 

Name Thomas Farmer
Baptism Date 9 Feb 1812
Parish St Mary, Whitechapel
County Middlesex
Borough Tower Hamlets
Record Type Baptism
Register Type Parish Register

 

 

Name James Farmer
Baptism Date 4 Apr 1810
Parish St Mary, Whitechapel
County Middlesex
Borough Tower Hamlets
Record Type Baptism
Register Type Parish Register

 

James Farmer      Baptism      4 Apr 1810      James Farmer      Margaret Farmer

 

 

Half Siblings

*Robert Farmer1816–

Hannah Farmer1817–

 

Name Robert Farmer
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 17 Mar 1816
Father’s Name James Farmer (Occupation Cooper
)Mother’s Name Hannah Farmer
Parish or Poor Law Union Whitechapel St Mary
Borough Tower Hamlets
Register Type Parish Registers

 

Montague St

Name James Farmer
Year 1832
County or Borough Tower Hamlets
Ward or Division/Constituency St Mary, Whitechapel
Street Address Cooperage and House

 

 

Name James Farmer
Gender Male
Household Members
Name Age
Hannah Farmer
James Farmer
John Ward Stafford

 

 

 

David notes

Hi Diane

 
I shared some of these already with Don a month or so ago, but I pass them onto you as well.
 
<John Farmer.jpeg>
John Farmer 1813-1901. He looks about 55 ish. I have his red military sash when he was a Captain in the New Brunswick Militia and a large sterling silver soup ladle with the initials “JF” on it. That’s it. Census records show that he emigrated in 1836. All the stories I heard was that he came from Wales but Canadian census records indicate “English” and I cannot find any relevant records for John in Wales. I do understand that John inherited 1/4 of his parent’s estate and it took a shipload to bring over all of the furniture which he sold to support his lavish lifestyle and pay for parties for the naval officers when they were in town. He died broke (I have his will), left his bed clothes to Julia, and she lived with one of her children until she died in 1914. John was also a Justice of the peace, and was Admiral Owen’s agent in Campbello and apparently they were very close.
 
 
 
John’s first family with Anne Gregg (b 1822-1864)
Frances Owen Farmer (1845-1865)
Richard James Robertson Farmer (1847-1847)
William Owen Farmer (1848-?)
Thomas Farmer (1850-?)
Edward Farmer (1851 and got married in Pennsylvania in 1883)
George Farmer (1850-1936) Became a captain of a Merchant vessel “Seafarer” in Liverpool England. 
Esther Farmer (1853 – ?)
 
Here’s a photo of the barque “Seafarer”
 
<Seafarer.jpeg>
 
<Julia Palmer Portrait.jpeg>
John’s second wife Julia Hepzibeth Palmer b 1836 d 1914. 
<Cochrane Portrait.jpeg>
Photo of Admiral Owen and his son, given to John Farmer
 
 
<Spencer Farmer Hall Portrait.jpeg>
My Grandfather (your great grandfather), Spencer Farmer in full Masonic Regalia of St Mark’s Lodge in New Brunswick. Spencer was the first child of John’s second marriage to Julia on 30 June 1870. He was born 13 Oct 1866,, 4 years earlier (there’s a story there)
but 
Steele was born in  20 Dec 1867 (before the marriage)
Gary in 19 Oct 1869 d 1890. (before the marriage)
 
and
 
Sidney (31 May 1871) and moved to Boston,
Owen Tudor (31 May 1871 died 1872), 
Lancelot (11 Jun 1872), 
Rowena (31 Oct 1873, and Mary (4 Feb 1877 died 1901) 
were all born after the marriage. So it’s probably not likely that Spencer is not his. John just didn’t get married when he had 3 kids! Spencer was put on a train to Winnipeg at the age of 15 by John, given $50,  and told to go forth. I understand Spencer  helped put down the Northwest rebellion. Eventually, Spencer became a bookkeeper at the (then) CP Algonquin Hotel in St Andrews and eventually a relief Hotel Manager (when the other guys went on Vacation or something). So Spencer managed the CP Hotels in Banff, and also spent a few years managing the CP Hotel in Bermuda when my dad was a young boy.
 
<Rowena Portrait.jpeg>
 
John Farmer’s daughter Rowena (with Julia). I understand John Farmer treated all of his children, from both marriages rather poorly but doted on Rowena. He took her to NYC, sent her to Columbia University where she met and married Dr Oscar Menderson Schloss who eventually became the head of cardiology. Rowena had a son, Oscar Jr in 1913. Oscar Jr  had a daughter Joan (b?) who I spoke to some 15 years ago when her name was Joan Long. She was quite elderly, and is probably dead now. I never met her but she was living on  the upper east side in NYC. I don’t believe she had any children. Joan Mentioned to me that her grandmother Rowena was always quite sad about her relationships with her brothers and sisters. I guess none of them were too thrilled with the old man.
 
 
Spencer had 
John Owen Farmer 17 Jul 1888
Frances Rowena Farmer 17 Mar 1890 Duluth Minnesota d Portland Maine
George Brandon Farmer 10 Apr 1892 d 1905 St Andrews. I 
Steele Farmer 7 Apr 1993 d 1933 Campbello
Irving Spencer Farmer 10 May 1895 (I have some of Irving’s WW1 service medals) died Braintree, Mass 1987 (I never met him)
Lancelot Farmer 5 May 1898
 
 
Here’s a photo of Steele Farmer
<Steele Farmer1927.jpeg>
John Owen Farmer had 
Louise Farmer (abt 1916)
Donald Spencer Farmer 8 Sept 1920 (Don’s dad)
John (abt 1920) This is your dad – correct?
 
It would make sense that your dad John is my godfather (as opposed to his dad John Owen)as John  was 22 when my dad got married in  1942 and John was age 33 when I was born. It’s amazing that he is still alive and I will look forward to meeting him!
 
Spencer’s first wife Dinah Butler died in 1900 and Spencer remarried in 1912 and My dad Ronald Allerton Farmer was born in 1913 when Spencer was 47 (yikes!) . All of my dad’s brother’s and sisters were 20 years older than he was so Dad kind of grew up like an only child like me. 
My Dad’s photo.
 
 
<1978 March Ronald Farmer.jpeg>
Dad was sent off to Boston to live with Irving and get a job when he was 17 at the start of the depression in 1930. That didn’t work out (reasons unknown) so Dad moved to Montreal (I think Spencer found him work) to work some 3 years later at age 20. Met my mum when he was 24 and they got married in 1942 when dad was 29. He joined the RCAF for the war, became a corporal, was discharged in 1945 and went back to work for Domtar, went to accounting school at night, and  where he eventually became a General Credit Manager and retired in 1978 at 65, and died in Feb 1999 at 86. He was always fascinated with rocks and gemstones which became his quite involved hobby for many years as it did with my mum. That faceted Topaz ring that I wear he made and game to me when I was a young man. I gave one of his rings with their birthstones to each of my daughters when they graduated. 
 
As for me, I grew up as an only child never knowing or meeting any “Farmer” relatives as they were all much older than dad, or all scattered to the 4 winds. Born Nov 17, 1953, I grew up in Pointe Claire where my dad bought a new subdivision house in 1954 (hence the photo you have which is very cool). I moved out to support myself when I was 18 in 1972. Got my pilot’s license in 1977 and Got married in Montreal in 1978 to Suzanne and have 3 kids.
Mackenzie (b 1987 – 31), graduated McMaster with a Bach degree in English, married and living in Vancouver. Sadly, I don’t see her very much.
Derek (b 1993 – 24) living in Oakville and estranged. Sadly, he dropped out of U Windsor in 2013 and we haven’t spoken in 3 years.
Leanne (b 1993 (twins) 24) living in Oakville whom I’m very close to. Leanne graduated from Durham college in 2014 and is a child educator living about 1 mile away and supporting herself as a full blown adult! I’m very proud of her. 
 
I did my both my undergrad (1980) in Montreal and grad school (MBA – 1984) at night, stayed too long in Quebec, and moved to Toronto at 35 in 1988 to work for a Paris based bank (Credit Lyonnais) where I became the SVP and #2 in Canada. Unfortunately the bank blew it’s brains out in Europe and had to downsize. So I was the guy who fired everybody here, sold off all the assets and sub leased the joint back in 1999 and started looking for work again at age 47 which took about a year. I’m still friends with my old boss who still lives in Paris. Dee and I haven’t seen them since 2009 and we’re visiting again this fall. After a year of pounding the pavement, BMO offered me an executive position in 2001 to set up a Corporate Finance Syndications group for them so I joined BMO  and retired from BMO 15 years later in Jan 2016 at 62. (Not much of a pension but I had always invested my dough knowing that I was “on my own” – lol – so I’m fine)
 
Sadly, Suzanne passed away at age 50 (after 29 years of marriage) from Colon Cancer after a year of chemo in April 2007 when my youngest’s were only 13 (Mackenzie was 20) so it’s been hard on them (me too raising teenagers! – lol).  I took my kids travelling after Suzanne died so they’ve  all been to Italy, Greece, Egypt etc. I met Dee on a blind date  in Sept 2008. Kept the house in Oakville where the kids all grew up until 2011, and Dee and I  got married in 2012 (4 years after we met) after my kids went off to University and Mackenzie had graduated. Dee and I  got our own place together in “downtown” Oakville, a nice grown up town house with no lawn or driveway – lol- where we can walk to restaurants etc. I started flying again in 2004. Picked up the plane in 2010 and now happily trying to improve my skills and enjoy travel with Dee. It’s great. We have another trip planned this fall before we head south for the winter.
 
Dee has two great sons. She raised them on her own from about age 3. Jason (31) and Brendan (29). Jason works in architecture, lives in Oshawa. Brendan joined the Navy in Victoria, was discharged last year, has gone back to university full time. He’s married, lives in Victoria, has a one year old son (our first grandchild – which is very cool).
 
So that’s it. You and Don are the only cousins I have ever met on my father’s side. My kids only have one cousin on their mother’s side too. Dee only has one brother (no kids) so our family group is pretty small. I have two cousins on my mother’s side both of whom live in Alabama and haven’t seen in 30 years. It’s quite a thrill to meet you – and even know that you exist.
 
So please let us know the next time you are in Burlington. We would love to have you over.
 
David
 
 
 
Hey. . . David. . . Don. . . Doug. . . (all “D”s, lol )  Here are some Farmer Family photos for your files.
 
My Dad, John Farmer with his father Jack and mother Ruth c1930.  I ADORE the pic of my Dad without his shoe. . . and Gramie looks so mad!
 
 
<3 John Jack 1930.JPG>
<4 John Ruth 1930 2.JPG>
Jack and Ruth’s homes – Perth Junction and their home in Andover New Brunswick
 
<5.1 Perth Junction.JPG>
<9 Andover 1950 Grammie’s house.JPG>
<10 Andover 1950.JPG>
<11 Andover 1950 2.JPG>
My mom and Dad – John and June Farmer – wedding pic 1956
 
<29 John June 1956.JPG>
 
 
 
 

186 – Ronald Allerton Farmer 1913-1999

Ronald Allerton Farmer was born 11 February 1913 in St. Andrews, New Brunswick, Canada. He married 11 July 1942 at St Paul’s Anglican Church, Montreal, Quebec, Canada. He died 28 February 1999 in Lachine, Quebec, Canada and is buried at Lakeview Cem, Field of Honour, Pointe Claire, Quebec, Canada

 

 

Continue reading 186 – Ronald Allerton Farmer 1913-1999

More background (David)

John Farmer/Ann Gregg m 3 Aug 1843
Frances Owen Farmer b 26 Mar 1845 d 1865
Richard James Robertson Farmer b 4 Nov 1847 d. 1847
William Owen Farmer b 11 Nov 1848
Thomas Farmer b 20 Nov 1850
Edward Farmer b 14 Jul 1851 (went to Pennsylvania)
George Farmer b 14 Apr 1850 (went back to Liverpool and died 1936 a sea captain)
Esther Farmer b 18 Jun 1853
John Farmer b 23 May 1854
Mary Ann Farmer b 27 May 1855 d. 1855
Charles James Farmer b 12 May 1856 d. 1856
Frederick Farmer b 14 Aug 1862
Ann Farmer b 16 Mar 1863
 
John Farmer/ Julia Hepzibeth Farmer m. 30 Jun 1870
Spencer Palmer Farmer b 13 Oct 1866 d. 24 Jul 1942
Steele Palmer Farmer b 20 Dec 1867
Gray Farmer b 19 Oct 1869 d. 1890
Sidney Farmer b 31 May 1871(moved to and died in Boston)
Owen Tudor Farmer b 31 May 1871 d. 1872
Lancelot Farmer b 11 Jun 1872
Rowena Farmer b 31 Oct 1873
Mary Farmer b 4 Feb 1877 d. 1901
 
Spencer Palmer Farmer  / Dinah Butler (d 1900) m 1893
John Owen Farmer b 17 Jul 1888
Frances Rowena Farmer b 17 Mar 1890 (in Duluth no less!)
George Brandon Farmer b 10 Apr 1892 d 1905
Steele Farmer b 7 Apr 1895 d. 1933
Irving Spencer Farmer b 10 May 1895 d 1987 Braintree, Mass
Lancelot Farmer b 5 Mar 1898
 
Spencer Palmer Farmer/ Elizabeth Macgillivray m 30 Sept 1912
Ronald Allerton Farmer b 11 Feb 1913 (note the date lol – My dad never knew).
 
Elizabeth emigrated from Scotland, and worked as Spencer Palmer Farmer’s cook. I guess after Dinah passed, Spencer got lonely and had my dad when he was 47! 
 
Ronald Farmer (d 28 Feb 1999)/ Iva Patricia Brockington
Me: David John Farmer 1953 (when Ronald was 40)
 
John Owen Farmer was your grandfather. He had a son John (b ??) , Donald Spencer b 8 Sep 1920, and Louise b abt 1916. So John Owen would have been 65 when I was born in 1953 and his son John would have been 33 ish when I was born. Quite honestly I never met either one and my dad never mentioned “John’s” middle name. All of Dad’s half brothers were much older. The youngest, Lancelot was 14 years old when Dad was born – so he kind of grew up without siblings. By the time Dad grew up, all the siblings were scattered to the 4 winds. Dad left home in St Andrews to Boston when he was 17 and then Montreal when he was 20 ish and never went back ( so he really never had much contact with any of them. I have a photo of Steele b 1895, but that’s about it.
 
 
 
 

 

 
 So my Godfather could very well be either John Owen Farmer b 1888, or his son “John”. Is that the John Franklin?
 
What I know of Spencer Palmer Farmer (who died 11 years before I was born was that after getting off the train in Winnipeg, in 1881, he help defeat the North West rebellion and ultimately went back to St Andrews where he became a bookkeeper, and Ass’t Hotel Manager at the Algonquin. Ultimately he was promoted to “Relief Manager” for the CP Hotel Chain when the existing Manager had to absent himself (vacations or whatever). I understand a good chunk of time of Spencer’s spent as manager of the Banff Springs, and my dad spent a couple of years in Bermuda as a child with Spencer as the hotel manager. 
 
Here’s a photo of Spencer taken around 1900 in full Masonic regalia!
 

 

 
 
David
 

Background info (David)

Hi Don

 
More stuff for your files.
 
John Farmer b1813
 
Julia Palmer
 
 
My own info about John (that comes from my dad) says that John  came from a fairly well to do family and was sent off to “the colonies” never to return for some “family disgrace” and became a “remittance man”, being regular sent a stipend from home to keep him away. He became an officer in the NB militia, Justice of the Peace (and one did not rise to those levels in those days without some kind of family influence) etc and when his mother died in England whereupon he inherited a quarter of the estate, (consistent with John having 3 other siblings) and it took a shipload to bring his share of the furniture over. That furniture was sold over the years to pay for a lavish lifestyle for John and many parties for his officer friends. He spent it all, and there was nothing left when he died. But much was lost in a home fire and I have one of the few items that survived, a sterling silver soup ladle with John’s’s initials engraved (probably 150 years old), plus his military sash. Half the island of Campobello was furnished with John’s furniture. LOL. John treated most of his children shabbily. In fact, my Grandfather, Spencer Palmer Farmer was put on a train to Winnipeg at the age of 15, given $50, and told to “go forth young man”. The only child John took exception to was Rowena, who, at a young age, John took to New York to be educated at Columbia University (the only one) where she met and married a Dr Oscar Schloss who became the head of cardiac surgery. About 15 years ago, I found Rowena’s granddaughter in New York, a Joan Long who lived quite well on the upper east side, and had no children, was a bit of a recluse and quite aged at that time (probably dead now). I never met her and only spoke to her on the phone once.
 
My dad always believed that John claimed he came from a little town in Llangollen, Wales. But the various censuses state his birthplace was England – so a mystery.  Perhaps he grew up there, or lived there. But there is no record of his birth there and which caused me no end of confusion. In one of the censuses, it states that John’s date of emigration to Canada was 1836 (age 23) which is consistent with the “family disgrace” theory. Your website where he leaves England at age 15 is the first I learned of that, so maybe he emigrated twice, or there are more holes to fill in. The Admiral Owens relationship is consistent. He is a photograph of the Owens given to John by them. These were expensive in those days and weren’t passed out willy nilly. Same for the original photos I have of him and Julia. They were expensive back then so John did indeed have money. I always wondered if there was a family connection with Admiral Owens somehow but have no evidence of such.
 
 
I myself, am happily enjoying retirement after working 45 years. I was born in Montreal, started working when I was 17, and eventually was transferred to Toronto at 35 in 1988. Did my schooling at night and got my MBA. Worked for various organizations and spent the last 15 years as a Bank of Montreal executive from where I retired in 2016. My Dad, Ronald Allerton Farmer died in 1999 (then 86) and is buried in Montreal  with my mum (97 in 2014). There are no other living relatives on my father’s side that I know of so it was somewhat of a “shock” to find you.  My wife and I enjoy travel a lot and are taking a trip to Jerusalem, Luxor and through Suez this fall. So life is good.
 
 
Anyway, sorry for the info dump. I hope you find it interesting and helpful. I think both of us have John’s “ears”. lol. Let me know what you think and hopefully we can get together and meet each other. Your uncle, John Farmer (b 1920 and son of Spencer) was asked to be my Godfather when I was born, said “yes”, and my Dad said that he never met him again after that. lol. It seems we are first cousins, one time removed. And we didn’t even know it!